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It is not normal for people from the country, from rural areas, to slaughter their inconvenient animals in a gravel pit. That is all. People who do that should be monitored by a mental health professional, obviously. Goes without saying they shouldn't be making any decisions for anybody.
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Yeah- and after she shot the puppy, that wasn’t enough to slake her thirst for blood that she had to go grab the goat? I read her actual text and it was disturbing.
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Phoebe wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:29 am It is not normal for people from the country, from rural areas, to slaughter their inconvenient animals in a gravel pit.
Kristi Noem is a horrible human being for all sorts of reasons, and I agree with you that what she did to this dog (and the goat) was disturbing, but I have to tell you that putting a bullet in a dog that kills neighbor's livestock is pretty normal. But that's not exactly what she did.

Here's what I find abnormal about the story: no one I've heard of kills a dog after a first offense. There's always a process of compensating the neighbor, and then trying to better contain or train the dog so it isn't roaming free. Rehoming is sometimes (but rarely) considered. Then after multiple incidents (usually 2 or 3 total), the neighbor threatens to call the sheriff who will declare it a dangerous animal and require you put it down. THAT is when a person decides that they're not paying $100+ for a vet to kill this animal, when a 10-cent .22 bullet will do it quicker and painlessly (assuming you're a good shot--if you're not, don't do it yourself). And for God's sake, why would she use a shotgun? That's stupid and lazy and it's why the goat didn't die on the first shot.

So in this case, this wirehair pointer was making it clear it would never be a good hunting dog, so she used the chickens as an excuse to get rid of a dog she admits she already hated. It's exactly what you said, she did this as a quick easy way to dispose of inconvenient animals, and I suspect it was triggered by her immediate anger at the dog--it failed on this hunting trip and then killed chickens on the way home. That's disturbing.
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And then she thought it was a good idea to brag about that in her book?! Like that makes her a good leader?!
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The cruelty is the point, I think. I know this will appeal to the hardline MAGA fans, but they aren't the ones that need winning over.
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It isn't working out well for her. I'm sure it endears her completely to Trump, but not so much to the type of voter he needs to convince. A lot of Republicans out there are really fond of their dogs. They should have done some reading on the next door neighbor social media site, keyword dog. They would have found a significant subset of their voting base is keen to turn in their neighbor at the slightest sign that a dog was left out 5 minutes longer than they deem appropriate. There's basically a 5-year cold war going on between the parents of Huskies and malamutes and the rest of the neighborhood that thinks they are abusing those dogs by letting them run outdoors in 50° weather. This was not a group prepared to favorably receive the tale. They probably figure it plays well with their rural voting base but I don't think it works there either! People care even more about their animals! Then you have to start bringing in the people who love goats and want to know why she didn't castrate her own damn goat, If she was going to kill it for behaving like an intact goat. And not even that, because the goat didn't do anything so bad. Poor old musty goat just got dragged down there because she was still so angry! I have to think she lied about parts of the story but it's hard to say which parts.

The latest explanation that occurs to me is perhaps the most disturbing: they probably did some internal polling to figure out what would make white men turn away from their ticket if they added a woman. Because you know those MAGA people don't want to vote for a woman. Maybe they were worried she couldn't press the button if necessary, so they tried to think up a good story that would make her seem like somebody who would press the button immediately.

I had not paid too much attention to this person before, other than to know she's a maniac who's been banned from the reservations due to various words and actions. But then I discovered she had another little rage fit when her adult daughter was not granted a real estate appraisal license. Apparently the licensers - and all of these people are Republicans to the core so there's no political difference behind it - are committed to the idea that people have to demonstrate knowledge to be a real estate appraiser. The daughter was not able to demonstrate the knowledge so they were already going through extra hoops to figure out how they might give her special chances to get in there. That was not sufficient to satisfy the governor, who fired the 30-year head of the appraisals unit, and then they had to pay a $200,000 judgment when she sued. They meaning ultimately the taxpayers! This woman really shouldn't be running a volunteer lunch committee.
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I think it was a story for an audience of one: the guy who said he could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose any voters. But as much as he might agree with the feeling behind the story, he's savvy enough to know she'll now drag him down even further, so the VP position is likely lost to her.

And apparently in defending her story, she came out and said she's also put down a number of horses who were 25 years old and had outlived their usefulness to her, even though they may have had years more to live.
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What else is in that gravel pit? Brrr.
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According to Stephen Colbert, it's now more correctly called a dead animal pit, featuring some gravel.
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I haven't even had time to look at this video although I was made aware it existed... Apparently she went on mainstream morning news shows to try to defend herself and spin this another way, and one upshot was she thinks Biden's dog should be killed! That younger dog he had that has bitten multiple secret service? They took him out of the White House but apparently Kristy wants to put him in the gravel pit too. This is what happens when Corey lewandowski is your personal political advisor.

Even beyond this I was already team dog: put a reactive young German Shepherd rescue dog in a situation where a bunch of potentially threatening people are moving around your parents in unexpected ways... It's no surprise whatsoever that the dog has bitten so many people. They should have taken the dog out of there very early on, but it's not the dog's fault!
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Does anyone think it was going to be her until the puppy killer incident doomed her candidacy? I do. I think it would have been her otherwise. It's Justice really and the best part is she brought it on herself by bragging about it (and being forced to own it because she was so unhinged she did it all in front of a group of strangers observing).
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WTF is going on with RFK Jr and this bear story?! What is with these people!?
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I avoided clicking on this headline because in general I feel like my life improves when I ignore that man. But eventually I had to figure out why the kerfuffle, and the story is so much weirder than I was prepared for. I was prepared mentally for some kind of prank where they got a hold of a dead bear cub and propped it up in the park to make it look like some sort of accident. That was my assumption. How naive and innocent the mind remains. And no part of the rest of that story adds up. I note it happened in 2014. How old was he in 2014, when he planned (drunkenly?) to eat a roadkill bear? What kind of psychopath is he? Let's for sure not let the poison of protective vaccinations into our bodies, but by all means eat the roadkill.
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The story is crazy. He's a crazy. How is it funny to drag a dead bear into the park and make it look like a bike accident. And of course, he said, "I wasn't drinking, of course." Of course. No one does that when inebriated. That's a totally sober plan.
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And now RFK Jr has contacted the Harris/Walz campaign about a possible cabinet position in exchange for endorsing them. WTF is going through that guy's head? On second thought, I don't think I really want to know... (brainworm)
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I'm going to go say a bunch of nonsense in public and then see if they'll give me a position as a low level functionary in the administration. Why not?
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Tahlvin wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:17 am And now RFK Jr has contacted the Harris/Walz campaign about a possible cabinet position in exchange for endorsing them. WTF is going through that guy's head? On second thought, I don't think I really want to know... (brainworm)
This morning they're saying he's going to appear in Arizona with Trump but I guess we'll see... Maybe when the sane people neglected to give him any reward for running his terrible campaign, he turned to his true brethren. NPR was estimating that Trump would gain about 1% point in each swing state if RFK endorses him and drops out. That's probably a hard call to make but it's still a really significant change to the race.

I keep hearing people talking about the fever breaking and how sick of Trump we all are, but I think that's just wishful thinking and nothing has changed on the other side. I don't know any maga person who is less enthusiastic about Trump now than they were four or eight years ago. Indeed, people who used to express at least some reservations about his rhetoric or extremes are now just snarky about it, as if hurt feelings of the overly sensitive and effeminate are the problem here. It's partly a result of the media coming up with a new b******* headline every time Trump says something that makes people throw up their hands. This behavior further normalizes him: what's wrong is simply mean words rather than absolute glaring incompetence and terrifyingly bad policies. The media acts like people are more upset about his rhetoric than his refusal to accept the results of elections. So his supporters respond as if the rhetoric is the only problem and they really don't care if other people's feelings are hurt. Okay, well, I wonder why they need to be so mean. But it's just to the point where alternative reality is so entrenched you cannot communicate with people at all. Fact-based discussion is impossible because they've got a whole different set of non-facts. Sometimes with family members I'm pretty sure they know what the real facts are but they just want a certain outcome and they don't care what it takes to get there. The big issue for example: they want illegals deported and they don't want any more of them coming in, and they don't really care if they need to elect a nut to get done. You can try to explain that Biden/Harris border policies are actually more effective, or that Trump demanded the Republicans tank the bill in Congress because he wants to get elected more than he wants a real solution. This is meaningless to people - they know he's the only person who's going to deliberately round up people and mistreat them and they think that's the only real way to solve the problem, so they're completely for it.
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https://www.axios.com/2024/08/26/rfk-jr ... estigation

I can't even read through all the details of this now, nor do I have the stomach for it, but suffice to say RFK is even more of a nut than I realized, and in particular, he has a thing about finding dead animals. I just cannot imagine the thoughts, feelings, or instincts that would propel a person to engage with any animal carcass this way, much less a whale. And what makes a person want to cart it off on their vehicle? I am unclear on the details... Did he put the head or the body onto the vehicle, or the whole thing? I can't even. It's a blessing he will not be our president, although I imagine the government could use a personality like that in some capacity we probably don't want to know about.
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The most interesting thing about that article for me is that JFK Jr has a 36 year old daughter named Kick. Named, apparently, for her great aunt Kick Kennedy who married into British nobility and then died in a plane crash at 28.

I can't believe that I never knew JFK had a sister named Kick. That's a thing that would have stuck in my head.
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You have to grow up on a steady diet of Star magazines and then you know all the celeb families, lol! Sounds like many of their Kathleens get the nickname Kick? The scary sibling story I didn't realize until I was older is that their (JFK, RFK, Ted, etc) sister Rose apparently struggled with a mental illness and was *lobotomized* in a horrifying way her parents approved. Cannot fathom parents choosing to lobotomize their child. I know things like this happened and were even recommended to people but what the actual f***... When you have the resources and the power to make a completely different choice and yet you choose that for your own child?! It's hard not to think that political ambition influence that decision to squelch her... literally. Horrifying. Their oldest brother was supposed to be the future president but died in war, so the Dad moved on to the next one.

The article now raises Questions again. Basically, the man is obsessed with carting off the roadkill, be it a beached whale or a bear or whatever... You can only assume he's had a lot more of the less dramatic kinds of road kill over the years.

Anyway, "whale juice" is not a term I ever needed to hear, and then... What the heck is this:
"We all had plastic bags over our heads with mouth holes cut out." Presumably this is to avoid the smell of the whale juice but that also seems like a pretty psychotic way to avoid the smell of whale juice? You normally don't bag your own head to avoid a smell. What are you doing there with the mouth hole to actually prevent the nose from getting any? Paint a picture of that. And you're doing that to your kids? And they consider it reasonably normal? And people listen to this guy because they trust his wackadoodle theories about nutrition and health care?

This was the par for the course behavior so just imagine... What on earth else could there be... Please do not let any of these people near power. Thanks.
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This stuff with Trump at Arlington National Cemetery is another round of nutty stuff. And every news report that mentions that the employee declined to file charges should mention WHY she declined: because she was afraid of being harassed by Trump supporters.
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Purely anecdotal but hopefully promising: we drove cross country a few years ago to Seattle, and did it again this weekend, and there were very few Trump signs visible along the route this time compared to a significant number a few years ago.
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Phoebe wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:35 pm he scary sibling story I didn't realize until I was older is that their (JFK, RFK, Ted, etc) sister Rose apparently struggled with a mental illness and was *lobotomized* in a horrifying way her parents approved. Cannot fathom parents choosing to lobotomize their child. I know things like
I saw a documentary about that recently. It is sad and sickening....filed it under things I wish I'd never heard of.
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Lol in charge of the Homeland now. People are saying 2012 is when the previous world ended/split and we all ended up in this timeline.
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