Superman vs. Goku

[Mike]

Just so we're clear... Superman.

[TheMaster]

You misspelled Goku

[Mike]

Look Master, I respect your stupid, stupid opinion here, but you're just wrong.

[Ronster]

All the way!

[TheMaster]

Goku is so much better. Really no comparison. He lived 2 Full Lives for crying out loud (if you count GT, which i do because i dont read the Manga). He went toe to toe with a god. Superman can't hold a flame to him.

And he didn't even have to go Super Saiyan.

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[Stan]

It's all baseball to me.

[TheMaster]

[Bluedevyl]

Goku. 100%.

Unless we're talking Injustice: Gods Among Us Yellow Lantern Superman... He might stand a chance.

Regular old Supes? Goku will wipe the floor with him.

[TheMaster]

Finally someone talking some sense.

[Elle]

I don't know who this "Goku" is - I only see a picture up there of this guy, and I have nothing against him but I'm not sure how he beats Superman:

[Cazmonster]

My money is on Superman, because he can actually win a fight in a single half hour episode of a show.

[TheMaster]

Goku can't help that his battles are so epic it takes 12 episode for you to fully understand what had transpired. if you were a saiyan you would be able to grasp it all in a 10 minute episode.

[Elle]

So you're saying this Goku is consistently TL;DR? Okay, I sympathize but that's not better.

[TheMaster]

What i am saying, is that, Goku is so much better you can write a novel about how/why he took one step, but you can also just be in awe after watching the whole fight.

[Cazmonster]

Meh, still Superman. Unless you can find something better than Supes vs The Elite.

[TheMaster]

Goku vs Androids

[Mike]

Goku is racist, and therefore Goku loses to Superman.

The entire concept of the saiyan and super-saiyan is a metaphor for the Japanese people's internalized self-loathing and feelings of cultural inferiority following World War II. Saiyan are extremely powerful in their own right, but most serious threats require going "super-saiyan" and becoming Caucasian. When Goku goes super-saiyan, suddenly he has blond hair and blue eyes and looks like he's just a haircut away from leading his own Hitler Youth brigade. None of this is by accident; it all stems from deep-seated cultural injustices. The acceptance of super-saiyan as the ultimate beings is racist.

Now, both Goku and Superman are simply elements of a story. Each one has traits and abilities that vary from story to story and power levels adjust to match the needs of the story. Both of them are invulnerable to a level that meets the needs of the story. Both of them are strong enough to move planets if they need to. They are virtually equivalent in power level... that is, they are the ultimate being of their universe.

So the only real difference is that Goku is a representation of racist self-loathing, and Superman is a wish-fulfillment fantasy for Jews struggling against racist oppression (as explained by the creators of Superman).

In my world, anti-racism wins over racism. Superman wins.

[TheMaster]

Why you got to pull the race card?

[TheMaster]

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I would say is eye are more green than blue anyways.

[Mike]

There's no "cards" here. Just truth. And sometimes the truth is painful.