I did not solve this problem. I was so confident in my answer and so confounded when I was told it was wrong that I didn't even attempt the math to try to sort it out. I wish I had. I don't know if I would have gotten it.
A hospital nursery contains 2 baby boys and some unknown number of baby girls. A new baby is born and placed in the nursery. Shortly after, a random baby is picked from the nursery (so this includes all the original babies and the newborn). The randomly selected baby happens to be a boy.
Given all of that, what is the probability that the newborn baby was a boy?
The counter-intuitive part: The answer is NOT 50%. There is a single, definite answer, and the problem gives you enough information to determine what that is.
[Puzzler] Counter-intuitive babies
[Puzzler] Counter-intuitive babies
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Re: [Puzzler] Counter-intuitive babies
Very nearly fell into trap here. First, assume that boys and girls has equal chance of being born.
Two cases.
2 boys, k+1 girls. Pr = 2/k+1+2
And
3 boys, k girls. Pr = 3/ k+3
So, probability is
2.5/k+3.
Fine.
5/2k+6
Two cases.
2 boys, k+1 girls. Pr = 2/k+1+2
And
3 boys, k girls. Pr = 3/ k+3
So, probability is
2.5/k+3.
Fine.
5/2k+6
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Re: [Puzzler] Counter-intuitive babies
You've calculated the odds of selecting a boy at random.
Now what are the odd that the newborn is a boy given that a randomly selected baby was a boy?
[I may not have explained the problem clearly enough.]
Now what are the odd that the newborn is a boy given that a randomly selected baby was a boy?
[I may not have explained the problem clearly enough.]
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Re: [Puzzler] Counter-intuitive babies
Gah. Missed newborn part.
Something something Bayesian. Gonna need paper and pencil for this one.
Something something Bayesian. Gonna need paper and pencil for this one.
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Re: [Puzzler] Counter-intuitive babies
3/5. That's why people hate Bayes.
My intuition would have been wholly wrong.
My intuition would have been wholly wrong.
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Re: [Puzzler] Counter-intuitive babies
I figured out how explain what should have been the correct intuition from step one. Invis spell!
End invis spell.
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Re: [Puzzler] Counter-intuitive babies
As a check:
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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Re: [Puzzler] Counter-intuitive babies
Your final formula is dead-on for the generalized case. As the number of starting boy babies approaches infinity, the probability for this situation approaches 50%.
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