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Postby poorpete » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:41 pm

Sick of seeing a particular post appear at the top, so just throwing in this.

What do you think his lame-duck projects will be? I can think of 3:

- get Merrick Garland a vote
- get TPP a vote
- get last prisoners out of Guantanamo

Ideally he'd put "fix Obamacare" in there too, but I think we'll be sitting in this stalemate until 2017 at least.
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Re: Obama

Postby Kyle » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:02 pm

The first one won't happen and probably not the TPP. Maybe Guantanamo, but I don't know how he really feels about it. It seemed like an important issue eight years ago, but didn't happen. Which tells me he didn't want it to.
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Re: Obama

Postby poorpete » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:12 pm

I think TPP will happen because enough Republicans want this to overcome the few Democrats who don't. Also it will allow Hillary to keep her promise not not support it, as it will be off the table by the time she's sworn in.

I think he'd also love to decriminalize marijuana, but I think the DEA's decision to keep it a Schedule One has ruined that.
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Re: Obama

Postby Elle » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:26 pm

The Senate's refusal to vote on Merrick Garland is in my opinion obscene and is going to go down in history as a memorable moment when they took flagrant liberties with our democracy.

People who puzzle over why we have Trump may consider that even without Trump the State of Affairs we are accepting as normal and tolerable is exactly this obscene.
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Re: Obama

Postby Cazmonster » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:12 am

"...somewhat less attractive now that she's all corpsified and gross."
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Re: Obama

Postby Elle » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:21 am

It has now been almost double the time since the last nominee who has the longest time, Louis Brandeis. And that's because Brandeis was a committed "social justice warrior" of his own time, a Zionist and the first Jewish person on the Court. They took that long not to ignore, but to debate. This is different. This isn't ideological disagreement; this is about victory at the expense of ideology. This man is so much better than what they'll get with Clinton, and they can't refuse this long and then vote him in during November. Obscene. Total abrogation of duty. Hostility toward democracy itself.
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Re: Obama

Postby Mike » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:49 am

McCain stated last week that Republicans will continue to block ANY nominee that Clinton puts forward. Indefinitely. And then almost immediately, his spokesperson came forward and said, "Well, okay... not really."
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Re: Obama

Postby akiva » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:20 am

Reel on a repeating loop
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Re: Obama

Postby Elle » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:00 pm

These people are destroying whatever shreds of respectability they once enjoyed. McCain is a war hero, for heaven's sake! He could have done so little to remain a national hero and retire after a dignified career of service, even if people didn't always agree with his views. Instead, he let Palin and now Trump make a joke out of him.

Paul Ryan's goose is cooked and it couldn't happen to a nicer Objectivist crazyperson.

There are about three Senators who said Yes, Trump! And then very publicly No, Trump! And now very publicly again Yes, Trump! They all need to go; regardless of whether you're for or against Trump, that kind of finger-in-the-poll-winds batshittery is unacceptable in public leadership.

Anyway, what I came here to say is, if you haven't seen Obama do the phone drop, it's amusing. I wish he would have waited until Thanksgiving because in my deepest heart I am scared to death of what can go wrong until it's all over but the shouting.
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Re: Obama

Postby poorpete » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:43 pm

I still think there will be a TPP-Garland omnibus deal at the end of the term. Or, if no movement on Garland I expect the White House will take Congress to court, claiming not giving hearings essentially forfets veto power over his pick. But Id be really surprised if Obama's trade deal that's supported by enough GOP and Dem congressmen but no future president, would get no vote before he leaves.

I think Guantanamo will be an undeserved blot on his legacy, as it was his first action as president to begin its closure, and yet congress kept him from that goal. I doubt he'll pardon the last of the prisoners, many of whom are pretty awful, but maybe a massive deal to send them to the Hauge.... idunno, tough one.
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Re: Obama

Postby Elle » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:43 pm

Not only are they not planning to confirm Garland even if Clinton is elected, but a whole group of the Republican leadership is now saying that they won't confirm ANYONE for FOUR YEARS of a Clinton presidency. No W. T. F. is big and flashing neon enough for that. I want my goddamn democracy back - imperfect, difficult, contentious, but democracy! This is unbelievable.
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Re: Obama

Postby Cazmonster » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:57 pm

This is how democracies fail. I can only hope that enough of them get kicked that they can't block discussion any more.
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Re: Obama

Postby Elle » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:07 am

If they want to reject every nominee, even that would be better. It's the worst form of craven disrespect for each one of us citizens.
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Re: Obama

Postby Mike » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:55 am

All I know is my food tastes better when I take my food-tastes-better pill.
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Re: Obama

Postby Cazmonster » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:33 pm

I want them to go back to the previous version of the filibuster where they actually have to get up and talk. Threatening to filibuster should not be enough.
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Re: Obama

Postby Elle » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:22 pm

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