Education in Fantasy Fiction

A place for more serious(ish) topics. If you want to have an actual discussion... try it here.
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable
User avatar
Eliahad
Mr. 3025
Posts: 3033
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:24 pm
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby Eliahad » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:20 pm

I didn't know what else to call the subject, so I called it this. It occurred to me, today, that I couldn't think of a fantasy fiction book that didn't involve a teaching scene of some kind or another. Though, I think I just answered my own question. A Wizard of Earthsea, Harry Potter, The Wheel of Time, The Belgariad, even some of the first Discworld books, Doctor Strange. They all have moments where there is an apprentice learning 'how magic works.' Lord of the Rings might be an exception, but I'm not so sure.

I understand that there is a learning curve. You have to teach your readers how the world works, but why do you have to do it through the eyes of a student. Is it possible to demonstrate the rules of your universe without it being an academic situation? Or a stranger thrust into a strange land? Science Fiction doesn't seem to have this problem, at least not to the same extent that Fantasy Fiction does. Now, I haven't read all the books, so I'm sure there are some out there that do a good job of educating their readers without resorting to schooling (of some kind or another) in the book, but today, right now, no good examples jump to mind.
"What are you going to do?"
"I'm going to roll an 8."
User avatar
Kyle
Soaked in Vomit
Posts: 8018
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:46 pm
Contact:

Re: Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby Kyle » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:03 pm

I think that it's a common Joseph Campbell trope that when you have someone that has to respond to "the call" that they realize their power through the eyes of some variant of the student.
User avatar
WillyGilligan
Harvey Dent
Posts: 226
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:41 am
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby WillyGilligan » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:10 pm

It's been a while since I tried reading them, but the Malazan Book of the Fallen series might not have started with learning scenes. The first book also didn't seem interested in the reader understaning what the hell was going on, either. So there's that.
User avatar
El Jefe
Cleric Thief
Posts: 697
Joined: Wed May 11, 2016 10:45 pm
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby El Jefe » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:09 pm

The PA Fat Dutchman Mk II
"Amish Shoo-Fly Pie Boogaloo"
User avatar
Stan
Ninja Carpenter
Posts: 753
Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:06 am
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby Stan » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:13 am

It's very common to a class of fantasy, especially if they're intended for a juvenile audience. Kids/teens instantly grasp the student paradigm. Fantasy that comes from the sword and sorcery or pulp traditions rarely have this, though I think the first Elric book does. The Prydain chronicles have a bunch of this.
User avatar
Reika
Pastry Artisan
Posts: 55
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:41 pm
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby Reika » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:43 pm

User avatar
El Jefe
Cleric Thief
Posts: 697
Joined: Wed May 11, 2016 10:45 pm
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby El Jefe » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:42 pm

The PA Fat Dutchman Mk II
"Amish Shoo-Fly Pie Boogaloo"
User avatar
WillyGilligan
Harvey Dent
Posts: 226
Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:41 am
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby WillyGilligan » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:09 am

User avatar
El Jefe
Cleric Thief
Posts: 697
Joined: Wed May 11, 2016 10:45 pm
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby El Jefe » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:16 am

The PA Fat Dutchman Mk II
"Amish Shoo-Fly Pie Boogaloo"
User avatar
FlameBlade
Orange Troubleshooter
Posts: 1041
Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:53 pm
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Re: Education in Fantasy Fiction

Postby FlameBlade » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:11 am

And if there is no school, then the fantasy stories are usually rooted in well-known stories such as Greek Myth, King Arthur, amongst some of the examples.

Now, I think there is a good example of breaking away from all of those would be Runelords. They gradually introduce what the runes do, and the consequences.
Heracles. Fists. Pantheon.

Clue in ancient Greece.

[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/vendor/twig/twig/lib/Twig/Extension/Core.php on line 1236: count(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable

Return to “Nerd Talk”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 43 guests