Pence

[Phoebe]

Should our VP need to become P, not ok. It's unbelievable that he knew nothing of any actions that would cause him to assume presidency. He is no innocent. He has lied for Trump already.

That said, his purity act, like all purity acts, is sexist bullshit. I wouldn't be able to do my job if the mostly-all-men I work with had that rule about no lonely contact with women. The same is VV true for my husband at his job. And frankly, given the scandals we see most often among the psychically twisty fundamentalists, better to keep him away from young men! But that aside, this is pure sexism and all the MANY men writing deep thinky-feely pieces about how it's not are full of the sexism.

[Zen]

Frankly, Pence is probably scarier for the LGBTQ+ community than Trump, except for the fact that Trump is scarier for humanity as a whole... It is a hard choice. Do we throw the queer community under the bus in order to save our own asses? Probably... If it happens, I'll re-join the ACLU...

[Phoebe]

I think for anybody in the queer community but also women. Honestly, give me the man who wants to run up and grab me in the crotch and treat me like an object, long before you give me the guy who's a complete sexist and in total denial and lying about it, pretending that God appreciates what he's doing.

[Mike]

The first question to ask is: If Trump is guilty of collusion to influence the election and he is removed from office, and yet somehow we find out that Mike Pence was not involved... WHY would we allow Pence to become president when the only reason he is in the line of succession is because he was hand-picked by the guy guilty of colluding to rig the election?

[FlameBlade]

http://www.clickhole.com/article/stayin ... s-lin-5352

[Mike]

And to answer my own question: If Trump was found guilty of collusion and was forced to step down, the only way Pence doesn't become president is if he also chooses to step down or if the Congress sees this coming and passes legislation beforehand to alter the rules of succession in times of election-tampering. But they will not do that. Unless it's into 2019 and we have a Democrat controlled House and Senate to are really on the ball. So it won't happen. So if Trump is forced out of office, we have to face the idea of President Pence, or if Pence somehow goes at the same time... President Ryan.

[El Jefe]

[Cazmonster]

I think, so long as we can keep his sunning rock plugged in, Pence will be a malleable Lizard-In-Chief.

[Phoebe]

I think he is just as bad. Worse in some respects.

People are still defending his no women policy as if somehow having a traditional marriage or believing in religious values requires that you also be a sexist who breaks the law.

[Bluedevyl]

[Bonefish]

Honetly, I'm hopping that Pence is is implicated and impeaced. Then I hope Ryan chokes on his own tongue, Orrin Hatch is run over by a bus, Rex Tillerson's asshole prolapses and kills him, then Steven Mcunin dies.

That'll be perfect.

[akiva]

I hope every female member of Congress requests a one-on-one meeting with Pence.

[bralbovsky]

Of all those guys, Pence is the most beatable. His career was dead before Trump. He has a resume of disaster and deception, and while that won't trouble his base, he's stiff enough to make yawns instead of energy. Realizing that Pardoning T won't be the poison pill it should be, I think he's still vulnerable.

[Cazmonster]

[Phoebe]

[poorpete]

I'm still all in on Pence 2017, as he cares more about thinking through important decisions and wouldn't have Nazi advisors like the current guy. I think he'd have a difficult time rolling back many LGBT rights, as SCOTUS has declared them a protected class.

The woman thing I get, though personally I'd rather be ignored and shout about it, than groped and humiliated. I was saying on Facebook, weird that Trump and Pence treat women completely different but exactly the same: with no respect. A friend responded "like they are a non-person." That's what other men don't seem to get (and honestly I didn't so much when the news came out.

[poorpete]

Still Pence 2017. He'd be better 100x Trump and maybe 1.5x better than Ryan.

Obviously he's trying to accomplish two opposite things since August:

1. Stay as far away from Trump as possible, who will inevitably self-destruct, and destroy those around him.
2. Make sure Trump doesn't do something truly stupid, so he won't destroy the world

I think, for better and worse, he has spent time on #2, and thus might get caught in the "was in the room when fill-in-the-blank happened" or "knew Trump was lying about fill-in-the-blank."

[Mike]

I agree that Pence will be miles better than Trump. Horrible, but still waaaaaay better. He at least plays by the rules. He will be predictable. And he won't do horrific damage to our foreign relations. Then we hold him and the GOP back until the 2018 elections and see what happens.

Once again though... if Trump is found to have ascended to the presidency based on illegal action--that is, if his presidency is found to be illegitimate from the get-go--then would it not be reasonable to assume that all of his appointments are equally illegitimate, since he should never have been in a position to nominate them? I think there's a solid argument to be made that if Trump committed illegal actions to reach the office of president, then Pence, DeVos, Sessions, Tillerson, Gorsuch, et al are ALSO no longer legitimate.

Although, it probably won't come to that. IF he goes down, it'll be for obstruction of justice. It'll be for actions taken after the election.

[Mike]

Not to mention that Pence doesn't have the cult of personality that Trump does. He won't be able to scare and bully people into bizarre crap the way Trump does. He'll be milquetoast. Not to say he won't potentially have a dangerous agenda, but he'll be easier to deal with.

[Stan]

The scary part is that Pence is more likely to be able to avoid distractions and get a very conservative agenda through congress. But, yea, at least he knows when to shut up and can maintain basic decorum in meetings.