Re: Trump
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 pm
First off, I feel for the people who will actually suffer due to the shutdown. That sucks. That includes people who will actually lose time and pay (or have it all delayed because of this), but also includes people who live paycheck to paycheck and were counting on their tax refund, but just found out that that the IRS isn’t accepting returns yet--and won’t at least until this is resolved, if not longer with the new tax laws.
But let’s be fair here. It takes 60 votes to keep the government running. Therefore, both sides have the ability to block this and keep it from passing. Neither side has the ability to keep the government open completely on its own. So it is unfair to blame the closing entirely on one side or another. The nuanced discussion that no one is having is that BOTH sides have chosen to allow the government to shut down, because whatever principle they are standing on is more important to them at this moment.
DACA seems to be the sticking point. Democrats in Congress are willing to let the government shut down if they don’t get some continuation of the DACA program. They have been willing to grant more money for border security and “the wall” in exchange, even though most of them disagree with providing more money for those things. They were willing to give some things, but getting a guarantee on DACA is important enough to them to shut down the government.
Republicans in Congress are willing to let the government shut down rather than provide any sort of guarantee of the continuation of DACA. DACA is something that Trump and all the major Republican leaders have said they wanted. At the last budget face-off, they promised that they would put DACA to a vote. They never did. Now they say they still want to vote on DACA and provide help to the people it covers, but they don’t want to do it now with the budget resolution. They want to move forward on the promise that they will get to it. And delaying action on DACA is important enough to them to shut down the government.
Both sides have chosen a government shutdown. If you want to play blame, you have to talk about why each side made that choice and debate who (if anyone) is being unreasonable or disingenuous or whatever. The color of my explanation above makes it clear that I think the Republicans are the ones who are being unreasonable and playing at political games at the expense of people’s lives and livelihoods. But I’m sure there are people on that side who can give me the counterpoint to that.
Sadly--we HAD a bipartisan resolution ready, but Trump's shithole talk seems to have scuttled it. Which doesn't alter any of my points above... It's just sad that we seemed to have been so close to resolving this.
But let’s be fair here. It takes 60 votes to keep the government running. Therefore, both sides have the ability to block this and keep it from passing. Neither side has the ability to keep the government open completely on its own. So it is unfair to blame the closing entirely on one side or another. The nuanced discussion that no one is having is that BOTH sides have chosen to allow the government to shut down, because whatever principle they are standing on is more important to them at this moment.
DACA seems to be the sticking point. Democrats in Congress are willing to let the government shut down if they don’t get some continuation of the DACA program. They have been willing to grant more money for border security and “the wall” in exchange, even though most of them disagree with providing more money for those things. They were willing to give some things, but getting a guarantee on DACA is important enough to them to shut down the government.
Republicans in Congress are willing to let the government shut down rather than provide any sort of guarantee of the continuation of DACA. DACA is something that Trump and all the major Republican leaders have said they wanted. At the last budget face-off, they promised that they would put DACA to a vote. They never did. Now they say they still want to vote on DACA and provide help to the people it covers, but they don’t want to do it now with the budget resolution. They want to move forward on the promise that they will get to it. And delaying action on DACA is important enough to them to shut down the government.
Both sides have chosen a government shutdown. If you want to play blame, you have to talk about why each side made that choice and debate who (if anyone) is being unreasonable or disingenuous or whatever. The color of my explanation above makes it clear that I think the Republicans are the ones who are being unreasonable and playing at political games at the expense of people’s lives and livelihoods. But I’m sure there are people on that side who can give me the counterpoint to that.
Sadly--we HAD a bipartisan resolution ready, but Trump's shithole talk seems to have scuttled it. Which doesn't alter any of my points above... It's just sad that we seemed to have been so close to resolving this.