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I think the complexity of Sefton is why Holden won the Oscar, otherwise any other actor could have stood in just fine.



Cool adjective
1. of or at a fairly low temperature
MIXED: cold in the bunkers but the match is hot
2. showing no friendliness toward a person or enthusiasm for an idea or project
PASS: definitely not a nice action
3. fashionably attractive or impressive
PASS. It's a GIF for a reason
4. calm and composed
MIXED. His demeanor is definitely calm but an even calmer person wouldn't have lit a match on a neck to begin with.

Statistics: Posted by poorpete — Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:32 pm

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As I was watching, I wonder how much a modern audience is missing out on the cultural context that this movie is playing to. This movie came out in 53, less than 10 years after the war. Nazis, invasions, bombings and the very real idea of the world ending were a distict reality for the audience that went to see this. And then they see a different approach to the typical pro-US, propoganda "Get 'Em Boys" war movie at the time, right? This is a more grounded view. A "slice of life" for a part of the war people never gave much thought to. I'm not saying it was realistic (I don't really know how much realism or fantasy there was in it), but I think it was probably a genius stroke by Billy Wilder to present this unique view of war. I have a lot of respect for that.

The mystery/thriller part of this movie is where I thought it really shined. The who-dunnit of the mole in the barracks was great. And watching Sefton get abused and have to figure it out. There was a real tension that was palpable to it. I thought that Wilder did a masterful job of making Sefton both a character that you hate (not caring about human life, capitalizing on the weaknesses of his fellow barrack mates) but then you route for him because he's wrongly accused. It was so well done and William Holden played Sefton perfectly- I really found him deplorable, but wanted him to stick it to the real nazi traitor at the same time.

And my opinion on Sefton is this: he's one of the worst. There was truly nothing admirable in him. He capitalizes on the deaths of the americans, he plies the nazis with contraband so that he can keep his operations going, he sneaks off to (presumably) sleep with the Russian women while hiding it from the other americans, he viscerally hates Dunbar-- even though he is a crazy brave hero-- because he's rich, and the list goes on. The only admirable thing Sefton did was to help Dunbar break out and avoid death-- and he only did that because he "liked the odds" and the payoff. But this kind of complicated character is why I found the thriller part of the movie so compelling.

So again, a mixed bag. I didn't like the comedy, but loved the thriller.

Statistics: Posted by Kyle — Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:58 am

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The spy drama was great, and I loved that it didn't have to rely on chase scenes and drawn out fight sequences to tell a story. If this were remade today, it would have ended with a huge fistfight or firefight pitting Sefton against Security and/or some Nazi guard/officer in order to make his final escape. It was refreshing to NOT see that.

But the comedy was lame. If I had a history with this movie, maybe I'd appreciate it. Same way I can appreciate Three Stooges slapstick, even though the Stooges are just not funny anymore. The whole Betty Grable hallucination and the bit with crashing the women's camp were just out of place for me. If this was solely a comedy, that's one thing, but this was also a world with life or death real world consequences. So the image of Russian women being stripped down and forced through the showers in a German POW camp and then giggling and batting their eyes at the funny Americans was just a bridge too far for me.

I thought Bill Holden and Peter Graves were fantastic and liked some of the others--I really dug Otto Preminger's transparent nice-guy act over the cruelty of being a Nazi colonel. But the comic actors just felt too broad and out of place. Strauss and Lembeck as Animal and Harry always felt to me like they were in a stage play over-enunciating and gesticulating for the benefit of those in the back.

Not my thing.

Statistics: Posted by Mike — Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:55 pm

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All that aside, it has top notch great ensemble acting from all, but especially from Robert Strauss as Animal, who would have his own spin-off if this came out today. Top notch writing and directing by Billy Wilder, whose confidence in comedy and camera I'll always love and be jealous of.

Watching this twice before in the 00s and 90s, I viewed William Holden's Sefton as a true good guy, but this time saw his unsavory sides add shade. Sure he wasn't the spy, sure he was falsely accused, sure he figured out the truth, and sure he escaped, but he still was introduced by betting on the deaths of his prisonmates. He's kinda a jerk. He was fine paling around with Nazis. Even in the end, he figured escaping with a rich man would lead to a hefty reward. He liked the odds, and he liked how it'd get him money as much as freedom. He also lit a match with a man's neck. Not cool. I mean cool, very cool. But not cool.

Statistics: Posted by poorpete — Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:52 am

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This Every Other Week’s Movie: Stalag 17, selected by poorpete

WARNING- ALL SPOILERS FOR THIS MOVIE ARE ALLOWED! For real, if you haven't seen it, don't read any further!

Discuss!

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