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Nerd Pride Radio The home of the Nerd Pride Radio podcast and other acts of nerdity. 2019-11-08T15:54:24-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/feed.php?f=5&t=2334 2019-11-08T15:54:24-06:00 2019-11-08T15:54:24-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=53948#p53948 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]> Statistics: Posted by Phoebe — Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:54 pm


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2019-11-07T19:32:25-06:00 2019-11-07T19:32:25-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=53936#p53936 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]> Statistics: Posted by mimekiller — Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:32 pm


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2019-10-30T11:33:22-06:00 2019-10-30T11:33:22-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=53786#p53786 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]>
The consequences of the lack of sharing from today's top .1% are the needless deaths of millions of innocent people. I do think the kind of work Bill and Melinda Gates are doing is incredibly heroic but I also think it is morally demanded of them. When precious few others are doing what's morally demanded, maybe doing it makes you a bit of a hero?

This brings me to the example of Bezos: . He has many admirable qualities (I'm especially impressed by some genius things about how his company runs). He's also investing a lot of his money in trying to accomplish good in the world. But why should he get to do that without his company paying any taxes, since taxation supporting our successfully functioning society is part of what allows him to make all of his billions? Why should he in effect be the exclusive arbiter of where all of his surplus resources get spent, when we're all playing a rigged game in which it's far easier for the people who have more resources to keep and get more of them? For the super rich it probably makes sense to establish a space colony where small numbers of people can thrive and everybody else suffers. For the rest of the planet it might make a lot more sense to invest that effort in helping prevent further climate change damage. But since he's the one who doesn't pay any taxes and rakes in the billions hand-over-fist, he's the only one who gets to decide. And tragically when we have somebody like Trump as president, the vision of someone like Bezos seems absolutely wonderful in comparison. The whole concept of common good is being (has been?) destroyed in our democracy.

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2019-10-27T03:37:31-06:00 2019-10-27T03:37:31-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=53719#p53719 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]> Statistics: Posted by Tahlvin — Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:37 am


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2019-10-26T22:31:14-06:00 2019-10-26T22:31:14-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=53715#p53715 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]> Statistics: Posted by Phoebe — Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:31 pm


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2019-10-26T13:29:55-06:00 2019-10-26T13:29:55-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=53708#p53708 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]>
Not to mention all the infrastructure put in place by others that allows for wealth to happen -- that includes, road, sewage, utilities, all the basics.

If all are treated well, and well-looked after, then by all means, spend that money any way you want.

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2019-10-25T11:40:03-06:00 2019-10-25T11:40:03-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=53662#p53662 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]>
Instead of practical progress, we're going to get a year of campaign slogans about free tuition for all and we're going to get objections that this is economically unfeasible. Meanwhile, most people with anything close to an average income can barely afford to send their kids to college if at all, and many students don't benefit from college the way they should because they have to work their asses off to make enough money to survive through it, and that's assuming they're not literally suffering from malnourishment (witness the proliferation of food banks on campus and how desperately they're needed).

And anyone very well-off but whose income isn't in the top few percent is stockpiling whatever they can because college is SO crazy expensive. I can't even go into the health care thing - it's like, so much is uncoverable, or poorly coverable. And never lose a tooth as adult. Luckily people who make more than me will be able to afford a new tooth with Trump's/GOP's tax cuts, so I propose a new voting litmus test that if you aren't making enough money from Trump's tax cuts to pay it in cash for a new tooth/implant if you should lose one when you're 60, then you have no business voting for Republicans and are living in a dream land where you fancy that those tax cuts are for you. I mean, even putting aside everything else about climate and morals and security and extortion and lying and whatnot that would cause a person to be concerned...

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2018-07-26T22:39:03-06:00 2018-07-26T22:39:03-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=40996#p40996 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]>

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2018-07-26T20:01:35-06:00 2018-07-26T20:01:35-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=40989#p40989 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]>
We don't have socialized medicine. This means our health care is dependent upon having a job.

We have the least nationally mandated leave. This means we have fewer days where we might volunteer or protest.

Money is now protected speech. The Rich can speak much louder than us, because they have the money to do so.

The Rich and the Powerful in the States have made it so that their voices are far louder.

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2018-07-26T19:44:18-06:00 2018-07-26T19:44:18-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=40988#p40988 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]>
Makes me curious. Does he really need that much wealth? What if he channeled some percentage of that money into his grunts, raising salaries, so perhaps that they would have living wages where working 40 hours are sufficient for living?

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2018-07-26T16:28:11-06:00 2018-07-26T16:28:11-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=40967#p40967 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]> https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/n ... den-wealth

In a nutshell, you have ultra-wealthy people getting and staying that way not by creating value or contributing back to the society that makes it possible for them to obtain great wealth, but by cheating in whatever way helps them to avoid paying taxes. These people could collective END global poverty. They could make it so that everyone had clean drinking water and vaccines. They choose not to. We can contribute in a smaller way, and hopefully the more money we make we can continue to do more, but the problem is that "we" - i.e. nations like the US, UK, Japan, Germany, Russia, etc. are systematically permitting global plunder.

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2018-07-26T16:20:53-06:00 2018-07-26T16:20:53-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=40966#p40966 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]> Statistics: Posted by Phoebe — Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:20 pm


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2018-07-26T16:15:30-06:00 2018-07-26T16:15:30-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=40964#p40964 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]>
Exactly though. That's the reason it made me uncomfortable. If this was a problem of the richest of the rich, I'd just be outraged and disgusted. But once you accept that there IS a level of wealth/spending that is immoral, then you look for where the bright line is to divide moral from immoral. And sadly, the line is not that easy to find, but cursory examination reveals that you are almost certainly on the wrong side of it.

@Phoebe

And there is the outrage and disgust I mentioned. But the fact that someone else's crimes are much larger does not absolve me of my own.

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2018-07-26T16:12:26-06:00 2018-07-26T16:12:26-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=40963#p40963 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]> Statistics: Posted by Phoebe — Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:12 pm


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2018-07-26T15:23:31-06:00 2018-07-26T15:23:31-06:00 https://nerdprideradio.com/nerds/viewtopic.php?t=2334&p=40955#p40955 <![CDATA[Re: Is wealth immoral?]]> Statistics: Posted by Kyle — Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:23 pm


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