The 12 Hour Deathless Thread

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:52 am

Good pick. Is it the only rap we've had on the list?

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:54 am

Lose Yourself was on here too I think

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:09 am

Thanks.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:24 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #39:
"Days of Wine and Roses", Days of Wine and Roses, 1962, sung by Chorus, written by Henry Mancini, Johnny Mercer

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:19 pm

I don't say this lightly, but my stomach is nauseous when I watched Will Smith slapping Chris Rock. I have a lot of thoughts about it- all negative about Will Smith. But I'm just gobsmacked at what happened. How full of himself is Wil Smith that he stops one of the most widely viewed annual televised events to assault someone.

Shameful.

And more shameful that we're not talking about Coda as much and we're focused on his atrocious behavior.

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:58 pm

Agreed. I was thinking: at least we can all agree this sucks, but no, some people think it was awesome.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:05 pm

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #38:
"Theme from Shaft", Shaft, 1971, sung by Isaac Hayes, Chorus, written by Isaac Hayes

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:33 pm

Ah, ah, ah, ah, shaftin' alive. Shaftin' alive.

Shaft!

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:40 pm

poorpete wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:58 pm Agreed. I was thinking: at least we can all agree this sucks, but no, some people think it was awesome.

Yeah- I was talking to my wife this morning about how some people-- men and women-- would celebrate what he did as a man standing up for his woman's honor. And sure as hell, I'm seeing plenty of that on Facebook. But really it's just toxic masculinity. If Chris Rock were a woman, we'd all think this was one of the most horrible displays of all time.

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:03 pm

I have so much work to do that it's dangerous to land on this as a procrastination topic, but I've been watching what people are saying about it without comment (because when I first saw Smith's best actor speech, I had no idea what had preceded it! That's when I turned on the show, and then saw Coda win, etc). I can report that my friends i.e. the random assembly of people who know me and have not shunned me yet are divided into two neat (and roughly equally sized?) camps: what he did was not that big a deal, and what he did was sickening and he should publicly apologize and (more). Many of the people in the former camp of "not that big a deal" are in that camp for two key reasons: a slapping just isn't a big violent deal in their world, where other kinds of violence also happen sometimes, and/or they think the whole aftermath is White People Enjoying A Judgment of Black Men Being Violent, and white people in general need to shut up about this situation and probably don't understand it culturally or in terms of the personal history between these two men in particular. And since I am a white people, I am generally shutting up about it until I figure out why they are saying that, and also because I totally get the people who are like, ah well, a little slapping isn't much relative to "the shit we've seen". This is not my attempt (or theirs) to excuse the behavior completely - it's just that they believe the fact that he didn't PUNCH him is evidence that it was better behavior than it might well have been, so in their relative scale of "how bad is this?", a slap is lower than for people for whom slapping is an abnormal part of the month.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:26 pm

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #37:
"Swinging on a Star", Going My Way, 1944, sung by Bing Crosby, written by Jimmy Van Heusen, Johnny Burke

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:36 pm

Phoebe wrote:a slapping just isn't a big violent deal in their world, where other kinds of violence also happen sometimes

I don't really understand this. In rural Texas, many of the people I live near would find this to be more violent, and not just an act of violence but also of humiliation.

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:56 pm

Well, I just don't know.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:19 pm

You have to pick a side, Eli.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:25 pm

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #36:
"Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", Mary Poppins, 1964, sung by Julie Andrews, Dick Van Dyke, Ensemble, written by The Sherman Brothers

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:44 pm

Kyle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:36 pm
Phoebe wrote:a slapping just isn't a big violent deal in their world, where other kinds of violence also happen sometimes
I don't really understand this. In rural Texas, many of the people I live near would find this to be more violent, and not just an act of violence but also of humiliation.

I'm not sure I fully understand it either, but as my friend puts it, the slapping was supposed to be proportional to the situation precisely because it was supposed to be a response to the wife being humiliated. So if he had actually done something more serious to the wife, then I guess they would have expected him to punch the guy. But since he really mocked her illness or whatever, they see it as a slapping level offense. The people I'm getting this from are way more upset that he did it in public. Way more. The public aspect is what they find unforgivable, like that type of laundry needs to be dealt with privately. ? I don't know, I'm not attuned to the etiquette of slappings, having more often been the slapp-ee. There's really no good way of dividing that up. I'm not sure I've ever really slapped anyone properly? Stranger in a strange land.

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:47 pm

And let me clarify that by properly, I mean I've never actually slapped anyone for real - I don't mean that I think it's proper to slap people.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:22 pm

Chris Rock may or may not be an asshole. He may have known about Smith's alopecia or he may have thought he was just poking fun at a celebrity who chose to shave her head. Maybe both of those possibilities are crossing a line... or maybe neither.

To me, none of that matters. Will Smith was out of line. He physically assaulted another person over words. And he plotted that out. He had more than enough time to think it through before he got up there and physically assaulted another person publicly and in front of cameras. He wanted it seen. It was about defending his wife, but it was also about humiliating Rock and making a public statement through his actions. Will Smith has always been very deliberate and purposeful about his career. He has a very carefully cultivated public image. He did exactly what he meant to do.

The fact that he did it knowing full well there would be no legal repercussions makes it even worse. He has presented himself as a role model, and made deliberate decisions about his career on the basis of him being a role model. So he should hold himself to a higher standard, and the message that violence is an acceptable solution to real-life interpersonal conflict is repugnant to me.

It isn't egregious enough to keep me from watching his movies. I'll still do that. But it will likely color how I see him in those films, and we'll see what effect it has on my viewing.

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:13 am

Just keeping my head down and moving forward.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:00 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #35:
"America", West Side Story, 1961, sung by Rita Moreno, George Chakiris, Ensemble, written by Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim

Post by **Mike** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:46 am

Good morning!

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:06 am

Eliahad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:13 am Just keeping my head down and moving forward.

No sir. Absolutely not. Pick a side, or one will be picked for you.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:48 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #34:
"Let's Call the Whole Thing Off", Shall We Dance, 1937, sung by Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers, written by George Gershwin, Ira Gershwin

Post by **Mike** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:00 am

Eliahad told me I private that he's in favor of a Wedgie Duel.

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:35 am

There is definitely a black person white person divide on this issue of Will Smith, so suspense of judgment is not a bad place. I feel like if I don't understand why there is such a big, big gap there, its probably not something I should judge.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:46 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #33:
"Aquarius", Hair, 1979, sung by Ren Woods, Ensemble, written by Galt MacDermot, James Rado, Gerome Ragni

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:53 am

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:28 am

Kermit and the 5th Dimension did it better

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:35 am

That's it. The governing council has assigned Eli to Team Putin.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:59 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #32:
"I Got Rhythm", An American in Paris, 1951, sung by Gene Kelly, written by George Gershwin, Ira Gershwin

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:57 am

Yeah, hard pass.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:59 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #31:
"Theme from New York, New York", New York, New York, 1977, sung by Liza Minnelli, written by John Kander, Fred Ebb

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:17 am

Okay. I'll go with this. And while I think that Rainbow Connection should be higher than this, I think we're about getting to the right placement for it soon.

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:36 am

I Got Rhythm was once my favorite Gene Kelly scene and there's stiillll so much to love about it. Aeroplane!

Pete's Top Thirty-six Thirty-six Views of Mount Fuji by Hokusai #10

I guess I should say what I don't like because most of this is awesome. I'm thinking... the half naked guy, yeah. I guess in particular his ribs. Welp. Ok, now onto the awesome stuff. Fuji: looking awesome. The Trees: looking awesome. The horse: looking awesome. The person riding the horse, head down: looking awesome. The blanket or shawl that person is wearing: looking awesome. Might be underrated at 10.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:46 am

This is amazing

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:04 pm

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #30:
"Stormy Weather", Stormy Weather, 1943, sung by Lena Horne, written by Harold Arlen, Ted Koehler

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:06 pm

I really like this one too. The snow scene still beats it out but otherwise this is definitely top of the pile. I even like the guy with the ribs showing - It makes me wonder if they are on a trek to a new place to live?

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:28 pm

Classic. Perfectly placed.

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:17 pm

Not on the list but Stormy Weather's Jumpin Jive scene is a top 5 greatest song+dance performances on film.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:21 pm

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #29:
"Born to Be Wild", Easy Rider, 1969, sung by Steppenwolf, written by Mars Bonfire

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:37 am

Oh thank goodness!

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:49 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #28:
"Some Enchanted Evening", South Pacific, 1958, sung by Giorgio Tozzi (dubbing Rossano Brazzi), written by Richard Rodgers, Oscar Hammerstein II

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:37 am

This is where Rainbow Connection belongs.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:41 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #27:
"Unchained Melody", Unchained, 1955, sung by Todd Duncan, written by Alex North, Hy Zaret

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:45 am

This should be lower.

Great song?

Written for the film?

The popular version of this song?

A great/memorable film?

A great/memorable performance?

Meanwhile Rainbow Connection would ace all 5.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:35 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #26:
"The Trolley Song", Meet Me in St. Louis, 1944, sung by Judy Garland, written by Hugh Martin, Ralph Blane

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:12 am

Pushing back the timer.

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:15 am

Tahlvin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:35 am AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #26:
"The Trolley Song", Meet Me in St. Louis, 1944, sung by Judy Garland, written by Hugh Martin, Ralph Blane

No. Just no. If we're going to have a song from this movie, and pick the one meeting their other supposed criteria, It would be Meet Me in St. Louis!
And it goes without saying that this dumb tune is nothing compared to rainbow connection!

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:23 am

AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs, #25:
"High Noon (Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darlin')", High Noon, 1952, sung by Tex Ritter, written by Dimitri Tiomkin, Ned Washington

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:23 am

My own opinion, obviously, but this hits all the points:

Great song?

Written for the film?

The popular version of this song?

A great/memorable film?

A great/memorable performance?

I guess I could add this, which would be its top negative:
Song transcends the film