The 12 Hour Deathless Thread

Post by **Mike** » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:11 pm

Obi Wan is not the best hero of the first movie. In fact, he's not a hero--he's a wise mentor. His role is to impart wisdom and then die to further Luke's hero journey. He's on this list because he is considered the best actor in this film. But in addition to being a great actor, you also have to fulfill the role of hero.

Luke doesn't deserve to be on this list, because he's not that great a hero as written, and no matter what you think of Mark Hamill's career as a whole, in this film, he was not great.

If anyone from this film deserves the title of "best hero", it would be Carrie Fisher as Leia, because she acted the shit out of what she was given AND Leia is a strong character with will and agency who never hesitates to put her own life on the line to save others and defy evil. She's awesome.

But sadly, she's not really the hero of this movie. Luke is. For better or worse, Star Wars was written as a classic hero's journey, and Luke is that hero. So Star Wars just shouldn't be on this list at all.

Mando · Post by **Mando** » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:21 pm

that is definitely one opinion

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:03 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #33:
Marge Gunderson (Frances McDormand), Fargo, 1996

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 5:55 am

Kyle's top 26 letters in the Latin Alphabet, #1:

Y

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:45 am

Because we like you!

Post by **Mike** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:47 am

poorpete wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:45 am Because we like you!

Excellent answer.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:18 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #32:
Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart), The Big Sleep, 1946

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:35 am

M O U S EEEEEE

Pete's Top 36 36 Views of Mount Fuji by Hokusai #21

This is a beautiful verging-on psychedelic print that feels a bit unlike anything else in the set, for better and worse. Original and out of place. It did get me looking at photos of Lake Ashi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Ashi ... %B1%B1.jpg and now I want to go to there.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:47 am

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:02 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #31:
Erin Brockovich (Julia Roberts), Erin Brockovich, 2000

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:45 am

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:12 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #30:
Lucas "Luke" Jackson (Paul Newman), Cool Hand Luke, 1967

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:32 am

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:24 pm

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #29:
General George Patton (George C. Scott), Patton, 1970

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:52 pm

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:38 pm

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #28:
Juror #8 (Henry Fonda), 12 Angry Men, 1957

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:54 pm

I mean if we're ranking angry men, sure he'd be #8

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 2:10 pm

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 2:38 pm

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #27:
Bob Woodward (Robert Redford) and Carl Bernstein (Dustin Hoffman), All the President's Men, 1976

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:15 pm

Bernward Woodstein

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:20 pm

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:35 pm

You're free!!!

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:10 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #26:
Superman (Christopher Reeve), Superman, 1978

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:17 am

poorpete wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:54 pm I mean if we're ranking angry men, sure he'd be #8

This is what it means to win at LIFE pete.

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:20 am

Tahlvin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:02 am AFI top 50 movie heroes, #31:
Erin Brockovich (Julia Roberts)

More evidence of how screwed up this list is. I don't know whether the reason they have so few women on the list is that they don't know what a hero is, or if they won't know what a hero is until they figure out what a woman is. Maybe both. But white people, they see.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:56 am

Good morning!

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:35 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #25:
Lou Gehrig (Gary Cooper), The Pride of the Yankees, 1942

Post by **Mike** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:16 am

Phoebe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:20 am
Tahlvin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:02 am AFI top 50 movie heroes, #31:
Erin Brockovich (Julia Roberts)
More evidence of how screwed up this list is. I don't know whether the reason they have so few women on the list is that they don't know what a hero is, or if they won't know what a hero is until they figure out what a woman is. Maybe both. But white people, they see.

The hero list has 8 women on it, one of whom is played by a male canine actor. The villain list has 16 women, one of whom is played by a special effects alien. They are grossly underrepresented on both lists, but twice as much so on the "hero" list.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:13 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #24:
Thelma Dickinson (Geena Davis) and Louise Sawyer (Susan Sarandon), Thelma & Louise, 1991

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:22 am

Timely.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:36 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #23:
Terry Malloy (Marlon Brando), On the Waterfront, 1954

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:11 pm

Kyle's Top 5 Celebrities that he wishes would be regular participants on this website; #5:

Emma Caulfield

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:59 pm

Pete's top 36 36 Views of Mount Fuji by Hokusai #20

Nice print. Man did Japanese men really show their butts 150 years ago. I'm the guy on the bow with my arms crossed and hat hiding my head. But what I like best is the beautiful arched Ryogoku Bridge. That it was damaged and replaced with a dull flat bridge is extremely disapointing, like if one replaced a historic canal with a paved road. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ry%C5%8Dg ... ubashi.jpg

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:21 pm

Kyle's Top 5 Celebrities that he wishes would be regular participants on this website; #4:

Vin Diesel

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:02 pm

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #22:
Spartacus (Kirk Douglas), Spartacus, 1960

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:04 pm

Kyle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:21 pm Vin Diesel

I'm more of a Dwayne Johnson man myself, and I don't want to dissuade him from joining the site. But I know it's complicated. If I had to pick a top five of participants honestly I think Dwayne Johnson would be on it. Keep in mind this is coming from a person who downloaded his apps that I could hear his ringtone when I woke up every morning, motivating me. In fact, I was doing a lot better at fitness back then so maybe I should return to it.

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:07 pm

Mike wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:16 am 8 women on it, one of whom is played by a male canine actor.

I had to think about this for a really really long time before I came up with Lassie and I'm not even sure that's the right answer.

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:08 pm

Doing my duty!

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:38 pm

Kyle's Top 5 Celebrities that he wishes would be regular participants on this website; #3:

Wil Wheaton

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:29 pm

So help me, if Kyle's #1 isn't Jessica Alba's sister, then there better be a really good excuse.

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #21:
Mahatma Gandhi (Ben Kingsley), Gandhi, 1982

Post by **Mike** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:18 pm

Phoebe wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:07 pm
Mike wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:16 am 8 women on it, one of whom is played by a male canine actor.
I had to think about this for a really really long time before I came up with Lassie and I'm not even sure that's the right answer.

You are correct.

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:38 pm

Amurica.

Post by **Mike** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:18 pm

SPOON!

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:19 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #20:
Butch Cassidy (Paul Newman) and the Sundance Kid (Robert Redford), Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, 1969

Post by **Mike** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:49 am

For Frodo!

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:42 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #19:
Virgil Tibbs (Sidney Poitier), In the Heat of the Night, 1967

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:23 am

The best. around.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:22 am

AFI top 50 movie heroes, #18:
Robin Hood (Errol Flynn), The Adventures of Robin Hood, 1938

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:43 am

Eliahad · Post by **Eliahad** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:49 am

Oh I hope Douglas Fairbanks makes the list. You know, as Zorro.