Deathless

Post by **Mike** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:35 pm

I'm assuming AFI set their criteria that way because most of them ARE giant stans of classic Hollywood. But I imagine they justified it by saying they were looking for "stars" with an established body of work and a legacy that has stood the test of time. There's nothing Elizabeth Taylor was going to do in her waning years that would negate her "star" legacy, but what if they picked some multiple Oscar winner in their late forties, and then that person has a late life conversion and becomes a born-again right wing extremist who only makes shitty religious propaganda films for the next two decades? Or imagine Cosby had been more actor than comedian and then one of their choices turns out or be a serial rapist? Nobody on this list is perfect, but I think reputation and character plays a role in selection as well. Nothing too egregious.

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:43 pm

Lol, unimaginable! Like the guy who sold us pudding pops for all those years is some kind of monster. Next you'll be telling us Max actually is "Mad" or something. Haha good one.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:36 am

AFI top stars, #11:
Female: Barbara Stanwyck

Male: Gary Cooper

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:20 am

So sick.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:44 am

AFI top stars, #10:
Female: Joan Crawford

Male: Charlie Chaplin

Post by **Mike** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:08 am

I'm surprised Jon Stewart qualified.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:20 am

AFI top stars, #9:
Female: Marlene Dietrich

Male: Spencer Tracy

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:04 am

Watched some of Adam's Rib tonight -- Spencer Tracy was often paired with his amore Katherine Hepburn, but Hepburn always outshines him, as she was one of the great greats. But this watch I enjoyed a bit of his acting work, he holds his own, and he really gets quiet grumpiness down, aka I see a lot of me in him.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:33 am

AFI top stars, #8:
Female: Judy Garland

Male: James Cagney

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:36 am

Watched "Meet Me in St Louis" over the weekend -- never seen such St. Louis propaganda. Judy so good tho.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:38 am

St. Louis propaganda. Classic St. Louis.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:13 pm

AFI top stars, #7:
Female: Elizabeth Taylor

Male: Clark Gable

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:07 pm

St. Louis invented peanut butter.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:24 pm

AFI top stars, #6:
Female: Marilyn Monroe

Male: Henry Fonda

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:03 am

St. Louis is the only city in the continental US to win both the Nobel Peace Prize and the Nobel Prize for Economics in the same year.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:42 am

AFI top stars, #5:
Female: Greta Garbo

Male: Fred Astaire

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:34 am

Still so sick.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:19 am

AFI top stars, #4:
Female: Ingrid Bergman

Male: Marlon Brando

Post by **Mike** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:34 pm

Time for Willy's Wonderland.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:51 am

AFI top stars, #3:
Female: Audrey Hepburn

Male: James Stewart

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:47 am

St. Louis solved the AGORA Wordle in two.

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:28 am

Who is that, Nelly?

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:56 am

St. Louis wrote and directed the pilot episodes of ER, St. Elsewhere and Hill Street Blues.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 12:30 pm

AFI top stars, #2:
Female: Bette Davis

Male: Cary Grant

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:15 pm

My favorite actor! I love Cary St Louis....

Nooooooooooo!!!!!

Post by **Mike** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:30 pm

St. Louis taught me to love again.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:57 pm

St. Louis created the character of Miles Morales Spider-Man.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 6:07 pm

AFI top stars, #1:
Female: Katharine Hepburn

Male: Humphrey Bogart

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:05 pm

Can't go wrong with them!

Kyle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:57 pm St. Louis created the character of Miles Morales Spider-Man.

Thanks to my college roommate, like the only major superhero writer I know! Also Jinx and Torso are good. I should check out more

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:35 am

AFI top 50 movie villains (this was done in 2003, so if there are any spoilers, it's your fault for waiting this long), #50:
Detective Alonzo Harris (Denzel Washington), Training Day, 2001

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 6:29 am

The Other Guys is actually a biopic based on the life of St. Louis. Will Ferrell played it in the movie.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:41 am

AFI top 50 movie villains, #49:
Auric Goldfinger (Gert Fröbe, voiced by Michael Collins), Goldfinger, 1964

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:51 am

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:25 am

AFI top 50 movie villains, #48:
Roger "Verbal" Kint / Keyser Söze (Kevin Spacey), The Usual Suspects, 1995

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:25 am

Awful villain. But I guess the character he played was fine.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:47 am

Good morning!

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:02 am

AFI top 50 movie villains, #47:
Tony Camonte (Paul Muni), Scarface, 1932

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:22 am

Pete's Top 36 36 Views of Mount Fuji by Hokusai #26

The tree is fun. So is making mount Fuji the lowest and smallest hill! Like the guy on the horizon but everything else in the foreground is a bit forgetable.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:50 am

AFI top 50 movie villains, #46:
Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman), Die Hard, 1988

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:10 pm

Tahlvin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:50 am AFI top 50 movie villains, #46:
Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman), Die Hard, 1988

I love him and it just so happens that today was his birthday.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:45 pm

AFI top 50 movie villains, #45:
The Joker (Jack Nicholson), Batman, 1989

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:57 pm

Are we going to have multiple Jokers and multiple Jack Nicholson villains?
Because this might be his number three best or ... Edited to add... by my account he has at least half a dozen and maybe seven or eight villains that are better than his joker!!!! And he's definitely not the best Joker? What?
This list has self-destructed.

Post by **Mike** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:16 pm

Phoebe wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:57 pm Are we going to have multiple Jokers and multiple Jack Nicholson villains?
Because this might be his number three best or ... Edited to add... by my account he has at least half a dozen and maybe seven or eight villains that are better than his joker!!!! And he's definitely not the best Joker? What?
This list has self-destructed.

I completely agree. I've actually never understood the love for Nicholson's Joker. Tim Burton's Joker was over-the-top cartoonish, and was amazingly over-acted. But it fell short for me, even at the time, because i couldn't ever NOT know that I was watching Jack Nicholson in Cesar Romero's makeup.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:50 pm

Mike wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:16 pm
Phoebe wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:57 pm Are we going to have multiple Jokers and multiple Jack Nicholson villains?
Because this might be his number three best or ... Edited to add... by my account he has at least half a dozen and maybe seven or eight villains that are better than his joker!!!! And he's definitely not the best Joker? What?
This list has self-destructed.
I completely agree. I've actually never understood the love for Nicholson's Joker. Tim Burton's Joker was over-the-top cartoonish, and was amazingly over-acted. But it fell short for me, even at the time, because i couldn't ever NOT know that I was watching Jack Nicholson in Cesar Romero's makeup.

I rewatched the original about a year ago. Nicholson's Joker is brilliant. It's truly an amazing performance. It's also my favorite Joker. Heath Ledger was also amazing. But Nicholson's Joker is the best one.

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:58 pm

Again, this list is from June 2003, so I'm guessing it's going to miss a lot of Batman remakes and pretty much all of the Marvel Universe stuff. This will be the only Joker in the list, but it's not the only Nicholson in the list.

AFI top 50 movie villains, #44:
Baby Jane Hudson (Bette Davis), What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?, 1962

Mando · Post by **Mando** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:28 pm

Sing me to sleep....

Phoebe · Post by **Phoebe** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:47 pm

It is officially against the rules to post this in the "deathless" thread!!

poorpete · Post by **poorpete** » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:49 pm

"Deathless" is a word Morrissey puts in like every song.

Tell the Queen I'm deathless, deathless,
and ruthless with a tie and a unwrapped lettuce head
Tell my mum I'm deathless, hopeless,
Keep a million skinny white lads buttered on the ground,
smothered in the Union Jack like my flat mate Tim
oh how I can't stand him
but not as much as
no not as much as her

Tahlvin · Post by **Tahlvin** » Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:37 am

AFI top 50 movie villains, #43:
Regina Giddens (Bette Davis), The Little Foxes, 1941

Post by **Mike** » Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:45 am

Uh, sure?