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Re: Deathless

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:35 pm
by Mike
I'm assuming AFI set their criteria that way because most of them ARE giant stans of classic Hollywood. But I imagine they justified it by saying they were looking for "stars" with an established body of work and a legacy that has stood the test of time. There's nothing Elizabeth Taylor was going to do in her waning years that would negate her "star" legacy, but what if they picked some multiple Oscar winner in their late forties, and then that person has a late life conversion and becomes a born-again right wing extremist who only makes shitty religious propaganda films for the next two decades? Or imagine Cosby had been more actor than comedian and then one of their choices turns out or be a serial rapist? Nobody on this list is perfect, but I think reputation and character plays a role in selection as well. Nothing too egregious.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:43 pm
by Phoebe
Lol, unimaginable! Like the guy who sold us pudding pops for all those years is some kind of monster. Next you'll be telling us Max actually is "Mad" or something. Haha good one.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:36 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #11:
Female: Barbara Stanwyck
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Male: Gary Cooper
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:20 am
by Kyle
So sick.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:44 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #10:
Female: Joan Crawford
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Male: Charlie Chaplin
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:08 am
by Mike
I'm surprised Jon Stewart qualified.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:20 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #9:
Female: Marlene Dietrich
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Male: Spencer Tracy
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:04 am
by poorpete
Watched some of Adam's Rib tonight -- Spencer Tracy was often paired with his amore Katherine Hepburn, but Hepburn always outshines him, as she was one of the great greats. But this watch I enjoyed a bit of his acting work, he holds his own, and he really gets quiet grumpiness down, aka I see a lot of me in him. :-)

Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:33 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #8:
Female: Judy Garland
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Male: James Cagney
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:36 am
by poorpete
Watched "Meet Me in St Louis" over the weekend -- never seen such St. Louis propaganda. Judy so good tho.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:38 am
by Kyle
St. Louis propaganda. Classic St. Louis.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:13 pm
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #7:
Female: Elizabeth Taylor
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Male: Clark Gable
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:07 pm
by Kyle
St. Louis invented peanut butter.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:24 pm
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #6:
Female: Marilyn Monroe
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Male: Henry Fonda
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:03 am
by Kyle
St. Louis is the only city in the continental US to win both the Nobel Peace Prize and the Nobel Prize for Economics in the same year.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:42 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #5:
Female: Greta Garbo
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Male: Fred Astaire
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:34 am
by Kyle
Still so sick.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:19 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #4:
Female: Ingrid Bergman
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Male: Marlon Brando
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:34 pm
by Mike
Time for Willy's Wonderland.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:51 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #3:
Female: Audrey Hepburn
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Male: James Stewart
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:47 am
by Kyle
St. Louis solved the AGORA Wordle in two.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:28 am
by Phoebe
Who is that, Nelly?

Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:56 am
by Kyle
St. Louis wrote and directed the pilot episodes of ER, St. Elsewhere and Hill Street Blues.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 12:30 pm
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #2:
Female: Bette Davis
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Male: Cary Grant
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:15 pm
by poorpete
My favorite actor! I love Cary St Louis....

Nooooooooooo!!!!!

Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:30 pm
by Mike
St. Louis taught me to love again.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:57 pm
by Kyle
St. Louis created the character of Miles Morales Spider-Man.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 6:07 pm
by Tahlvin
AFI top stars, #1:
Female: Katharine Hepburn
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Male: Humphrey Bogart
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:05 pm
by poorpete
Can't go wrong with them!
Kyle wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:57 pm St. Louis created the character of Miles Morales Spider-Man.
Thanks to my college roommate, like the only major superhero writer I know! Also Jinx and Torso are good. I should check out more

Re: Deathless

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:35 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top 50 movie villains (this was done in 2003, so if there are any spoilers, it's your fault for waiting this long), #50:
Detective Alonzo Harris (Denzel Washington), Training Day, 2001
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 6:29 am
by Kyle
The Other Guys is actually a biopic based on the life of St. Louis. Will Ferrell played it in the movie.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:41 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top 50 movie villains, #49:
Auric Goldfinger (Gert Fröbe, voiced by Michael Collins), Goldfinger, 1964
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:51 am
by poorpete

Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:25 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top 50 movie villains, #48:
Roger "Verbal" Kint / Keyser Söze (Kevin Spacey), The Usual Suspects, 1995
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:25 am
by poorpete
Awful villain. But I guess the character he played was fine.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:47 am
by Kyle
Good morning!

Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:02 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top 50 movie villains, #47:
Tony Camonte (Paul Muni), Scarface, 1932
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:22 am
by poorpete
Pete's Top 36 36 Views of Mount Fuji by Hokusai #26
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The tree is fun. So is making mount Fuji the lowest and smallest hill! Like the guy on the horizon but everything else in the foreground is a bit forgetable.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:50 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top 50 movie villains, #46:
Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman), Die Hard, 1988
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:10 pm
by Phoebe
Tahlvin wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:50 am AFI top 50 movie villains, #46:
Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman), Die Hard, 1988
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I love him and it just so happens that today was his birthday.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:45 pm
by Tahlvin
AFI top 50 movie villains, #45:
The Joker (Jack Nicholson), Batman, 1989
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:57 pm
by Phoebe
Are we going to have multiple Jokers and multiple Jack Nicholson villains?
Because this might be his number three best or ... Edited to add... by my account he has at least half a dozen and maybe seven or eight villains that are better than his joker!!!! And he's definitely not the best Joker? What?
This list has self-destructed.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:16 pm
by Mike
Phoebe wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:57 pm Are we going to have multiple Jokers and multiple Jack Nicholson villains?
Because this might be his number three best or ... Edited to add... by my account he has at least half a dozen and maybe seven or eight villains that are better than his joker!!!! And he's definitely not the best Joker? What?
This list has self-destructed.
I completely agree. I've actually never understood the love for Nicholson's Joker. Tim Burton's Joker was over-the-top cartoonish, and was amazingly over-acted. But it fell short for me, even at the time, because i couldn't ever NOT know that I was watching Jack Nicholson in Cesar Romero's makeup.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:50 pm
by Kyle
Mike wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:16 pm
Phoebe wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:57 pm Are we going to have multiple Jokers and multiple Jack Nicholson villains?
Because this might be his number three best or ... Edited to add... by my account he has at least half a dozen and maybe seven or eight villains that are better than his joker!!!! And he's definitely not the best Joker? What?
This list has self-destructed.
I completely agree. I've actually never understood the love for Nicholson's Joker. Tim Burton's Joker was over-the-top cartoonish, and was amazingly over-acted. But it fell short for me, even at the time, because i couldn't ever NOT know that I was watching Jack Nicholson in Cesar Romero's makeup.
I rewatched the original about a year ago. Nicholson's Joker is brilliant. It's truly an amazing performance. It's also my favorite Joker. Heath Ledger was also amazing. But Nicholson's Joker is the best one.

Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:58 pm
by Tahlvin
Again, this list is from June 2003, so I'm guessing it's going to miss a lot of Batman remakes and pretty much all of the Marvel Universe stuff. This will be the only Joker in the list, but it's not the only Nicholson in the list.

AFI top 50 movie villains, #44:
Baby Jane Hudson (Bette Davis), What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?, 1962
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:28 pm
by Mando
Sing me to sleep....


Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:47 pm
by Phoebe
It is officially against the rules to post this in the "deathless" thread!!

Re: Deathless

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:49 pm
by poorpete
"Deathless" is a word Morrissey puts in like every song.

Tell the Queen I'm deathless, deathless,
and ruthless with a tie and a unwrapped lettuce head
Tell my mum I'm deathless, hopeless,
Keep a million skinny white lads buttered on the ground,
smothered in the Union Jack like my flat mate Tim
oh how I can't stand him
but not as much as
no not as much as her

Re: Deathless

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:37 am
by Tahlvin
AFI top 50 movie villains, #43:
Regina Giddens (Bette Davis), The Little Foxes, 1941
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Re: Deathless

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:45 am
by Mike
Uh, sure?